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This is a transcript from our weekly YouTube live AMA:
SPEAKERS: Anita Mlakar, Sandi Bitenc and Ricardo Casanova.
About AMA: Join us for our AMA with our special guest Ricardo Casanova!
AMA Duration: 43:22
Anita Mlakar: 00:23
Hello, everybody and welcome to 3air’s AMA. It is Wednesday and we are back live with you. So, thank you for being with us, for taking this opportunity, of course, to be able to ask questions and of course to get some answers. Anita Mlakar is my name; I am the host of this AMA. I’m really looking forward to today’s AMA because we have a special guest coming up in a couple of minutes, of course.
First, let me invite you to be a part of our communities. We are doing great in our communities on Telegram, on Discord and on Twitter. And of course, I’m also inviting you to be a part of this YouTube channel. So do subscribe, so that you will get notifications whenever we are going live. And before we invite our guests, before we also invited the CEO of 3air Sandi Bitenc, let me just do a short introduction of our project.
Connect Africa cities with a fast and stable internet connection and become the first fully decentralized telecom platform is the goal of 3air and we are as we are always saying connecting the unconnected. Once we connect African people to internet, once they have internet connection, we can of course provide them with digital identities, then we can bank the unbanked. We can give them a wallet all through blockchain. We have also decided on focusing on 3air global, which has always been a part of the plan. So, we plan to make it easy for travelers to be able to use the internet easily with a global SIM card, which can be used anywhere in the world without waiting to buy a new SIM card to connect. Like I said, I’m very happy that we will be talking about this today also with our guest but first let me invite the CEO of 3air Sandi Bitenc to be with us.
Anita Mlakar: 02:23
Hello, Sandi and welcome.
Sandi Bitenc: 02:25
Hello, Anita. How are you?
Anita Mlakar: 02:28
I’m doing great. How are you Sandi?
Sandi Bitenc: 02:32
I’m also fine. Forward really excited about this AMA.
Anita Mlakar: 02:35
Yes. So am I. I think it has been some time since we had our last guest, Sandi. I don’t know when exactly, but we’re definitely looking forward to have our today’s guests, right?
Sandi Bitenc: 02:49
Yes. It’ll be a nice change. And as you said, we were mostly alone in the past few AMAs. And this is really a special guest I would say this is the most important guests that we had up until now.
Anita Mlakar: 03:06
Oh, great. Sandi, just tell us. For starters, where are you right now? Still in Dubai?
Sandi Bitenc: 03:12
Yes, I’m still at home. Let me think. I think the next time we have an AMA I’ll still be at home.
Anita Mlakar: 03:20
Okay. And then you will be of course be traveling again.
Sandi Bitenc: 03:25
Yeah. Then we have some travel plans. Actually, we had our today’s guests, and I’ll let him talk a bit about that.
Anita Mlakar: 03:36
Okay, just tell me what were you doing at this last past 14 days when we weren’t together live with our community.
Sandi Bitenc: 03:45
So more or less, there’s so much stuff to do here in Dubai and catching up with the crypto community here. There are some companies here that are really important for the future of 3air. So, we are trying to get some contracts in with bigger telcos in general, worldwide. So yeah, this was more or less what I was working on. Also getting some investors in. I had a few meetings with a potential Chinese investor. The thing is just, it’s really interesting when you think about more or less, we’re usually is struggling to get the funds in, right? And they’re actually struggling to get the funds out. So, we need to find a solution for that. This is kind of on the opposite side of the spectrum of problems. And of course, myself and the rest of the team, we were doing a lot on the actual White Paper and yet this is coming. It’s now really close to completion.
Anita Mlakar: 04:59
Okay, that’s good news. If you’re ready Sandi, let’s invite our guest in, of course, to have this interesting conversation and to ask him some questions. So, let’s do it. I would really like to say hello, and welcome our special guest, Ricardo Casanova.
Anita Mlakar: 05:18
Hello, and welcome.
Ricardo Casanova: 05:20
Hello, good morning, or good afternoon. How are you?
Anita Mlakar: 05:23
Ricardo, it is good morning for you. It is almost evening for us and we are doing fine. How are you this morning?
Ricardo Casanova: 05:34
Good. I don’t know how I can live up to that introduction by Sandi but I’m excited to be here.
Anita Mlakar: 05:41
We are excited to have you here, Ricardo. I will just say a couple of sentences about you. And then of course, you will continue that. Okay? So, Ricardo is a disruptor author with over 20 years of success in the technology and telecommunication markets in Canada. That is why there is morning right now. Throughout his career, Ricardo held technical sales and leadership positions with the largest telecom and IT organizations in Canada. Ricardo, I have read so much about you, so many interesting information about everything you are doing, everything you were doing, and what of course you will be doing that is something that you will be telling us today. Ricardo, do tell us a little more about what is your passion?
Ricardo Casanova: 06:34
That’s a good question. You know, when it comes down to what I’m passionate about is, when people are happy with the status quo, that’s when I’m not. We need to change the way things are done. We need to innovate; we need to continue to move and improve. And so that’s what really motivates me and drives me being able to just make things better. And ultimately, that’s what kind of drives me being a thorn in some people’s sides is makes me happy.
Anita Mlakar: 07:18
Wow. That’s interesting. I think that was even a song, right? thorn in my side…
Ricardo Casanova: 07:27
Every Rose has its Thorn.
Anita Mlakar: 07:32
Ricardo, I was just following you today. Just seeing what you’re doing. Are you in Vancouver right now? Or?
Ricardo Casanova: 07:41
Yeah, I am in Vancouver. I came out here to meet up with some people. And my son actually had a tournament, a soccer tournament, a football tournament kind of at the same time. So, kind of doing a couple things at the same time. But I go back to my home base, which is in Edmonton. And then as Sandi had mentioned, that we’re going to be doing a little bit of travel for some 3air business coming up. And then yeah, so we’ll be dancing around a little bit. And then back in Southeast Asia by August.
Anita Mlakar: 08:21
Okay, we will be talking about what the plans are with 3air, Ricardo. But let’s start with a little bit about your work. We will talk also about that you are really passionate in soccer, right? But you have worked with so many organizations and so many companies. Could you tell us more about that? About your background? What you were doing?
Ricardo Casanova: 08:50
Sure, yeah. A long time ago, I started an organization, a nonprofit organization that advocated for football facilities, and making it more accessible and quality to children within Edmonton, the city that I was in, and it really started to branch out from there and made it more of a national play where we had a lot of conversations with municipalities and governments across the country to really start focusing. You know? Canada is very much a hockey country. But still a very small percentage of the population actually play hockey. Football is still by far the biggest sport. So how are we catering to these children? How are we providing them facilities? So that’s something that’s I’m very passionate about as well as making sure that we have accessible, affordable and quality facilities for kids. So, it’s something that kind of drives that conversation for me. A nonprofit was started for me to be able to carry that conversation. And, yeah, it kind of culminated in, I got some funding to do a documentary. We just finished filming a documentary, which will be carried across the country for two years, on one of the major telecommunication carriers in Canada, talking about that subject. Those sorts of things, a lot of the volunteer stuff I do is for disadvantaged communities. Because I believe they need the biggest help when it comes to having a voice. It’s part of the reason that 3air was very attracted and hearing Sandi talk about 3air’s vision and mission, it kind of fits, checks both boxes professionally and personally of what I want to be able to accomplish.
Anita Mlakar: 10:57
Well, so it seems to me like you have a big heart, Ricardo. Really doing great stuff for community, and you were also reward it, right? By the Queen Elizabeth, Platinum medal. Is that part of what you are doing? Or is this connected with something else?
Ricardo Casanova: 11:21
Yeah, that was a bit of a surprise. It was nice. It was rate either before or rate after she unfortunately, passed away. But yeah, somebody reached out and said, “Hey, we’ve decided to award you this medal for your contributions to the community. So, it’s nice to get that recognition of decades of working with communities. But it’s not something that motivates me, or drives me, it’s just kind of a nice tip of the hat, I guess a little bit to get that recognition.
Anita Mlakar: 11:59
Okay, so you have a lot of experience in different fields, like you were talking, like you said, right now, maybe now we could get to the point about your connection. So, what is up with 3air? It sorts of invited to you this project or really got your attention because of what 3air is doing?
Sandi Bitenc: 12:24
Let me jump in here just for a minute, because I think what we need to know a bit is actually Ricardo’s technical background because he has some background in the telco sector. So, I think that’s the most important actually for today’s conversation.
Anita Mlakar: 12:43
Ricardo Casanova: 12:45
Yeah, sure. So, my past is, I worked for the major telcos within Canada, and really saw a gap in kind of how they were providing services to their customers. And so, I actually started an organization, a company that did Telecom Expense Management, which, in a very simple nutshell is, we would be able to either scrape or download the raw billing data from the major carriers, and then be able to chop that data up, make sense of it, look for billing anomalies, look for trends and not really AI, but it was a little bit machine learning a little bit to certain degree of being able to optimize whether we renegotiate contracts and that sort of thing. So, it really saved our customers a lot of money. And it made the carrier’s kind of turn around and go, “Okay, well, we need to do better.” So, they started to improve their own billing practices, to kind of try and muscle us out. And so, either we changed the industry to a certain degree, and we were able to change behaviors at the carrier level. Again, just creating that innovation where we can force the carriers to do something different. At the end of the day, benefit the community at large.
Anita Mlakar: 14:28
Yes, you also wrote somewhere that what 3air doing according to that is also changing the game. Is that what you like to do, Ricardo? Change the game?
Ricardo Casanova: 14:42
Absolutely, disrupting. We’re able to see that change needs to happen. We’re able to see that the world is changing, and you have a certain industries that are that have a certain level of stagnation where they are kind of set in their ways. And don’t see a need to change. Because profit margins are high and it’s the way we’ve always done things. I think that there’s a huge opportunity for us to change the way global telecom is done and make it make sense. I am very excited to do what we can and following Sandi’s vision as to what 3air global is able to do is extremely motivating.
Anita Mlakar: 15:42
Yes. Ricardo, where do you think the changes could be done? Where’s there enough space to do something different?
Ricardo Casanova: 15:53
Well, that’s a loaded question. There’s a lot. But ultimately, the affordability, the ease of use. The clarity for consumers, I think is big.
When we look at what the global landscape looks like, there’s a lot of ambiguous terms and conditions. What your rates are doing at a certain amount? And then are you throttled? Are you not throttle? This is it for social media. So, for the regular consumer that doesn’t do Telecom, for a living, it can become quite daunting and convoluted. I think, from a consumer perspective, and confusion, there’s that piece, and then once you have that confusing environment, cost is the next one. And if this doesn’t make sense, then the cost is just people just accept, because this first part is so confusing, right?
So, the confusion and the cost, I think, is a massive thing. And then it comes down to the freedom of information and its very base level, is that you have these core organizations that have control over internet access. And the UN has already stated that Internet access is a human right. And when you have organizations that can control or throttle that in a centralized manner, I think that becomes a challenge when it comes to freedom of speech, and an access to information, never mind the economic impacts of organizations or communities being able to have access to high-speed internet. So, like I said, that’s a loaded question. Like, there’s a lot that goes into it. But yeah, I don’t know, Sandi, and I have had this conversation. And we’re both very passionate about that access.
Sandi Bitenc: 18:07
Yeah. What I think really stands out, what we are focusing the most on, currently, is to allow, everyone should become a mobile operator. That’s kind of mind blowing. Because I don’t think that any of us has been thinking about, maybe I could be an operator, right? Maybe I could have my own SIM card and sell it to my community. And this is what we’re trying to enable the communities to do. So, you have a small community, maybe 1000-2000 or 10k people or something like that. You have a strong brand association, and then you can actually have something to upsell it to. But where do you start? How do you start a telecom? It’s not easy, right? There are two really big issues there. So one is that you need to really know everything about regulatory compliance, the legal stuff, it kills you. The second one, it’s still quite capital intensive. So, you need to team up with firms, right? And this is what we are with 3air what we’re trying to change the trend and disrupt. And the thing is that telcos right now, they don’t have this great big brand association. I don’t know, myself, I don’t care if I’m with, I don’t know, Orange? Well, what I care about is I get a good service, and that it’s working alright, but that’s it and then it stopped. It has no brand association after that, and this is what we’re trying to change. And I think that this will be a really huge change in how telcos are actually selling services to their clients.
Anita Mlakar: 19:57
That’s great opportunity. We’re also together on White Papers as I understand, Sandi?
Sandi Bitenc: 20:04
Yes. So, the White Paper is what Ricardo 99% done. So, I put a few things up there. And then Ricardo and some other team members actually figured stuff out and polished it and I think now it’s in the second reading or something like that. And then once it’s done, we just need to do the design and it should be out pretty soon, right?
Ricardo Casanova: 20:31
Yeah, I imagine, based on the feedback, we should be done, well, I think I’ll be done today. On my final read through, and then yeah, we’ll have it through to the design. So, a couple days. So, we’re right at the cusp.
Sandi Bitenc: 20:48
Yeah, the design will take a bit more than a couple of days, because it’s really a quite an extensive White Paper. But I think ending the week or beginning of next week, the White Paper should be ready. And then you can read a bit more about what we set out to do. And just what I mentioned it just a small part of what you’re actually doing. You know, there’s also the tokenization of telecom services. And in the future we’re planning to do some stuff on a kind of a broader decentralization of internet and trying to solve the issue that Ricardo mentioned about centralization of the internet and censorship, and we’re literally in the hands of a few companies that they could collude together, they could literally shut us down or shut down the internet altogether, just a click of a button almost.
Ricardo Casanova: 21:53
I think that’s point. Sandi, in the grand scheme of things with the White Paper, you know, it is a broad document. But at the end of the day, I think between all of our conversations as a team, is that we want to make sure that we do it correctly, right? We’re building from a strong foundation. That’s not only relevant today, but also future proof. So, when the White Paper does come out, it’s going to be something that has that strong foundation that we can build on. And we’re future proofed as we go forward, whether it’s from a technical perspective or a regulatory perspective, we’re just making sure that we’re dotting our eyes and crossing our T’s. So, I’m excited for people to actually see the White Paper and see what we’re doing, and where our vision is, because I think it’s going to be something that I’ll be very complete.
Anita Mlakar: 23:02
There are a few important steps, of course, as you go along, like you said, from the idea than to get White Paper to introduce the idea to people then to deal with everything what Sandi said, government, regulatory, competition, and so on. And you were mentioning earlier, the next step that you will be taking also going around traveling, introducing the project. So, what will be going on?
Sandi Bitenc: 23:31
You want to take that, or should I?
Ricardo Casanova: 23:38
I’ll start. Yeah, so we’re going to be going to Roatán Honduras. We go next month, and we’re going to be going to Prospera and its ZEDE. So, it’s an economic zone that’s somewhat unique to the government. They have regulatory independence, I guess, for lack of a better term. Yeah. So, we’re going to be going there and meeting with some people. There’s a conference that is focusing on I guess, finance freedom. We’ve had some conversations with some people down there and Sandi can maybe elaborate on what that is. But so that’s our most recent one that we’re going to be going down to is Honduras. I’ve had conversations with some groups in other parts of Central America that are interested in having conversations. People are ready and willing to have these conversations and Honduras is as our as our next one.
Sandi Bitenc: 24:58
Yeah, I’m really looking forward to that, because it’s something different that we’ve been to before, it’s not so much introducing theory, actually. I think it’s going to be some hands-on work, trying to figure out new regulatory environments. They have a really clear vision of creating new regulatory frameworks that support startups. So, the thing is that the really big industries, that telecom is also one of the regulatory frameworks are there not to protect the consumer, they’re there to actually protect the monopoly status of the big companies. That’s the big job. And they’re using that with all force to protect themselves of any company like us, they are startups and trying to disrupt and enter the market. So, I think, working on that legal side, and enabling a better landscape, legal landscape, for us to really be able to operate in is going to be crucial if we want to be there and actually work and play with the big guys and sit with them at the same table. So that’s why I’m so excited and thrilled about what’s happening there.
Anita Mlakar: 26:37
It won’t be an easy journey. So, are you ready to do?
Sandi Bitenc: 26:41
I would like to say that nothing worthwhile is easy.
Anita Mlakar: 26:50
Best thing happened out of the comfort zone, right?
Sandi Bitenc: 26:54
Anita Mlakar: 26:55
Well, when will we, of course, the community of 3air is really looking forward to all the information they can get and everything that will be going on. So, when could we be talking a little more about that? What will happen? And what have you achieved? When could we give more information about that? After your trip?
Sandi Bitenc: 27:20
Let’s see. So, we’re kind of going along, as in giving out the information as they happen. So, we’re not holding back. And things do need time to evolve, especially on the legal side. And there are some big contracts that need to be made, and so on. And yeah, we took the time to really do the White Paper properly. So, I do think that next week, you’ll be able to get an update on that. That will be a big one. Then once we have some news, we’ll be sharing them for sure. If not before, on each of the AMAs. And I do hope that Ricardo will be joining us a bit more frequently in the future. And I think the next one, I think we’ll have just before the Roatán and Honduras trip. And I think then the second after that will be right around there. So, the conference is starting on the fifth of May, I guess, and it’s there for two or three days. So maybe we will have a call directly together with Ricardo.
Anita Mlakar: 28:41
With fresh and live information from there. Thank you very much about 3air. Ricardo, I just have another question with all the project and everything that you’re doing. So, do you have some spare time? Do you have some time to do things that you like, be with your family, with your people, with your friends?
Ricardo Casanova: 29:01
Yeah, more so now. Yeah, I mean, soccer is a big passion of mine. So, I’ll actually be in Vegas in June to watch the Canadian men’s national team play against in the nation’s cup per nations league with US, Panama and Mexico. So yeah, it’s a passion that me and my kids share, my two boys. Other than that, I don’t have time outside of my passion projects. So, which is which is fine by me.
Anita Mlakar: 29:42
It’s like Sandi said, my work is also my life and my passion. So, it’s all mixed up. Right, Sandi? It’s really hard to put them apart, work and life.
Sandi Bitenc: 29:58
Yeah, that’s actually the best thing. The majority of people I know, actually separate it, they go to work, and then they spayed them spend the majority of the day actually at work, and then they have some time for family. And I think it’s the best, but you tend to work more, that’s the thing. Just enjoy a bit of free time that you have right now. So, because this will be over pretty quickly.
Anita Mlakar: 30:39
Okay, Ricardo, thank you very much for being our guest today. We will just stay with Sandi a little longer, because we have also some questions to answer from our community. But I’m really looking forward to the fact that you will be with us also some of the AMAs that are coming. And I’m sure that we will be talking about the project, about you, about what is going on, also about the soccer.
Ricardo Casanova: 31:07
Yes! Absolutely. Of course. Yeah. Lots more to come for sure.
Anita Mlakar: 31:13
I really looking forward to that. Thank you for taking time, wishing you the best day because it’s all in front of you. Looking forward to that White Paper. Enjoy!
Ricardo Casanova: 31:26
Thank you for having me. It was awesome. Thank you.
Anita Mlakar: 31:28
Thank you. Bye.
Sandi Bitenc: 31:30
Anita Mlakar: 31:33
Okay, Sandi. Now it’s us. Very nice conversation with Ricardo. So many things that we can also talk about. But we will also do that in our next AMAs. Sandi, now, we do have some more questions from our community, they come from James, and because we invited everyone, everybody, of course to ask questions. I think now it’s time to maybe answer them. It is the first we were talking about it already. But still, James said about the White Paper. Are we still waiting for it? And of course, the question also is if there are lawyers checking it?
Sandi Bitenc: 32:22
So, we have a lawyer also on the team. And yes, we do have lawyers checking the White Paper. The thing is that what we will be doing now with 3air global. It’s gonna be, I would say half of the stuff that we’re doing is actually on the legal side. We’re still ramping up the legal team. But we do need to get that one right. So that’s going to be a huge part of the success and the work that needs to be done. The technical part, there are some challenges and some innovations and some really cool stuff. The idea is totally new, the technology that’s out there, it is possible to do. But the work that I don’t know a lot about is really the legal part. We are ramping up on that side of the team. And we have some good people joining and helping out already. And I think I told you a few times already that once we get the full funding in and we know that we can really pull off the whole thing that we’ll start introducing a lot more of the team members, they’re currently having their own jobs right now and switching jobs, it’s not easy, and they have quite good jobs in in other crypto projects that are quite high level. But of course, I wouldn’t be forcing or asking anyone to really quiet their job before we can offer them. Let’s say, a secure future, if you can say something like that in a startup.
Anita Mlakar: 34:21
Sounds reasonable. Now another question is update on investors. So how close to the 1 million required and what then?
Sandi Bitenc: 34:34
So, to be honest, we didn’t make a lot of progress there. We did get I think around 100k of commitments in but we’re still looking for the big investor, that’ll cover. We were also working on the other side and we’re trying to get the costs a bit down to get to the MVP. We are already also working on some contracts for the global SIM card because this is not something that we can build alone because we cannot go and set up a global physical infrastructure. We need to use an infrastructure. So, we’re right now in the process of getting those contracts together, but they also cost quite a lot of money. And we also started working on the blockchain part, actually. So, we were exploring how to do that and trying to really get the cost down. So potentially, we could do that with not a million, maybe we can do it with a bit of less funds.
Anita Mlakar: 35:44
Okay. And another question. Seems the big jump to be focusing on internet in a few African countries to jumping to a worldwide sim? How will roll out of worldwide sim work? And how will it affect token holders?
Sandi Bitenc: 36:05
So, it is it is a different project. So, I wouldn’t really say it’s a big jump because handling things in Africa and setting up a physical infrastructure there, it’s a totally different level. But as if you read the first White Paper, you will see that the global part was actually in it. We thought that covering Africa, because we already have some boots on the ground there and you know? We thought that would be a bit easier. But yeah, we started probably at a wrong time. In the beginning of the bear market, we couldn’t get the full raise in. And we do have a bit of a difficulty in expanding right now there, setting up the physical infrastructure. But that takes a huge amounts of capital. So as things are a bit slow there, and we have some free manpower, then we decided to really pull forward the global part. This is why we’re doing this at this moment in time.
Also, in a while I was traveling around, I also met some people that started to join especially for this global part and Ricardo is actually one of them. So, this is why we are also doing this right now. Because we do have the team, we do have a really amazing idea behind and the technology is ready right now. And also, I think the market is really ready right now, on all the sides. So, on the consumer side, and also on the provider side, there are also telecoms that are struggling right now. Ricardo mentioned that the margin levels are quite high, the margin levels are actually quite low, but the volumes are there, that’s why they’re still making a lot of money. But a lot of the telcos are looking into new revenue streams all the time and looks like IOT will be the next one. But we still think that a big disruption can still be done on the current telco side, service selling, the core thing. That’s why we are doing that and the rollout it’s right now with the emergence of E-Sim things are, I would say more or less easy. You just you go online, you buy a SIM card a SIM card is right now if you’re using E-Sim it’s a QR code. You scan a QR code, you have a E-Sim you have instant internet connectivity and you can just connect to an infrastructure locally that you have because it’s a global SIM card. It rolls out.
I don’t see any huge issues with that because everything can be done online. We were even thinking about just have an MVP we’ll go with E-Sim for sure. We could go with a bit normal SIM cards but then you need to logistics because you need to send the SIM cards global and so on so. For the MVP part of all the starters will for sure go only with the E-Sim and it looks like that either way. There will be no regular sims anymore I guess in a couple of years. I’m pretty sure that will go away. Just looking at the Apple with the iPhone is usually the trendsetter in this and they already started ditching the SIM card tray. I think with the next iPhone, globally, you won’t be able to actually put a normal SIM card in anymore so this means that Every carrier around the world will start supporting E-Sims. And right now, we already have the majority of them supporting it. I don’t see a rollout as such a big issue. As I said, the majority of the problems will probably be on the legal side. The tech, we can handle that, that’s going to be a big thing also, but I think that we can handle and how it will affect the current token holders? Well, I cannot tell you exactly right now, how it will affect it but we you will take care of our current token holders, that’s for sure. The initial investors, we will take care of them, so I wouldn’t worry about that.
Anita Mlakar: 40:52
Thank you, Sandi. That was the answer. The question from our community. Now, I have another question for you. Are you excited about this project, because I can see that glow in your eyes.
Sandi Bitenc: 41:03
I’m always excited. I’m excited since the first day of when I actually started thinking about 3air, and I think I’m getting more and more excited. This is also something that I think can affect far more people. Maybe it’s not affecting exactly Africa, and people that I would say are really striving for that. And can do a lot of goodness with just having an internet connection, because right now maybe they don’t have it. But also, we can also roll out a global SIM card in Africa. So, if it’s global, it’s global. But we’re also not forgetting 3air as how it’s set out in Africa. So, this is still ongoing and we’re still working on the actual physical technology. We just recently rolled out a new version of the microwave solution that we have. And the it’s a lot that is going there and for sure, it is exciting. Absolutely. But thinking about disrupting the global telco who wouldn’t be excited about that?
Anita Mlakar: 42:27
Yes, for sure. Looking forward for everything that will be happening in the future, Sandi. And, of course, to see you back here in 14 days with more information and in the meantime, of course, stay tuned in the community on Telegram, Twitter and on Discord not just you Sandi, but everybody of course, who is with us in that community. And you of course can also join us anytime. And also, be here at this YouTube channel every 14 days, do get subscriptions so that you will know when we are live. Thank you, Sandi, very much for this conversation today.
Sandi Bitenc: 43:08
Thank you, Anita.
Anita Mlakar: 43:09
Enjoy your time in Dubai and of course, we will be back here in two weeks.
Sandi Bitenc: 43:18
I’ll be here.
Anita Mlakar: 43:20
We do. Bye.
Sandi Bitenc: 43:21